This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Her brother Larrys false confession was all the LAPD needed to put Patricia behind bars. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Wow. The first rule of a murder is motive. The evidence was all there. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. Sad discovery. Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. A man was convicted Thursday of helping to hide a brother who was accused of murdering his teenage daughters in Irving more than 12 years ago, the U.S. Attorneys Office announced. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. Susan Wright is out of prison after killing her husband in TX. You took my life. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with Amina two bullets in the heart.". The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. She took out the woman who replaced her. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her, and that "people will be surprised of what she is capable of," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren said. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. It seems so, according to you. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. These two offenses were classified as felonies when they should have been only misdemeanors, since the property stolen was valued under $400. Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. Patricia Kopta left behind a husband and siblings and meandered through northern Puerto Rico for a while before she was taken as a person in need to the adult You are absolutely right. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. And she called 911. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. Traupman died in 2016. Great catch. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? The Dallas County jury returned a guilty verdict on Tuesday following about three hours of deliberations at the end of the six-day trial. Patricia is a evil monster. Unlike most people who stayed on the streets all day, she maintained a neat, attractive appearance, wearing makeup and a dress or skirt each day. Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). Claps! So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. Thats all for this post. WebAmina and Sarah Said were murdered by their father Yaser Abdul Said an Egyptian immigrant on January 1st 2008. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. 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A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. It was Patricias hair no question. THE COPS SET HER UP. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. In April 2019, 69-year-old Patricia was found guilty of second-degree murder and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. Her husband, Mark McCloskey, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor fourth degree assault and was fined $750. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? Roughly nine months ago, Interpol contacted the police department that kept her file open. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. Or did they? He jumped at the opportunity with the understanding that the emphasis would be on Lawrence Slaughter and not his sister. Wright desires to live her last days with her five children and six grandchildren, was in the statement as well. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. At the time of the killings, police said that there had been domestic problems in the family and that they were exploring all possible motives for the slayings. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. Patricia Prue's lawyer Brian Marsicovetere told the court on Friday that his client was "severely mentally ill," and that the case should be used as an example for why the state should focus on developing a strong mental health system. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. This is the most ridiculous take ever! She is the one who tricked them, first by Kidnapped and killed? And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. The prosecution alleged that after the murder, Patricia drove Joanns car to McCartys parking lot and backed it into a parking space. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. I dont think so. The case was eventually abandoned. I cant lose them, he told the media. Patrica Owens, Yaser Said's ex-wife, testified before the jury Thursday morning and said why she fled her home with her daughters only to return days before they were The District Attorney got this one right. The trial was taking so much of my time. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). Have you read the book? Justice is about uncovering the truth. Nine. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. "The family has been very patient. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. How so? The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. Lawyers pleaded their cases in closing arguments to 12 jurors and three alternates for nearly two hours Tuesday morning. (We didnt get into the specifics.). That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. But none of those charges ever stuck. Yassein Saids sentencing has been set for June 4. Still, no good leads materialized. She was wrongfully convicted.. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. Alfey liked to look at model homes, so they decided to stop by an open house that was located at 13810 Redberry St. in Moreno Valley, California. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. Mr Steve J She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. Hoist by my own petard! she didnt need to . And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. A correction to the comment above. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. Search it out and check for yourself. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. The womans whereabouts were relayed to law enforcement in Ross Township last year, Deputy Chief Brian Kohlhepp said. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. I hope she rots in hell. CHOOSE1 Three Strikes Reform Act needs 365,880 signatures by June 1: Volunteer today! Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. I think shes guilty for sure. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. Ls HUe7C22R>_%m~e5?h The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. I have never seen anything this egregious in all my years.. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. One on one? 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I was told they wanted to convict Lawrence Slaughter and not my sister.. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. 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One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. Flawed justice: the wrongful conviction of Kerry Baxter Sr. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. You people are fighting a losing cause! And shes were so happy. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. His nephew, Islam, the brother to Amina and Sarah and son to Yaser, pleaded guilty to the same charges in June 2021 and received 10 years. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. Look into it. Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. 2}Wo).hf}~g={g::y]peb78R,;>59_'cuB F4QyU&9G=#0 "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. Its been going on for almost 31 years, the distraught man explained. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. Judge Chika Anyiam sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. Have a tip or story idea? Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. She was the one that left Andy! Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Her mother was married to my uncle. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. In pleading guilty, Islam Said admitted that evidence proved he committed the crimes charged in the superseding indictment filed in November 2020. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? According to the Division of the Adult Institutions and Gov. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. It seems so, according to you. And NOBODY saw her at all? She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. Is Dallas becoming unaffordable due to rising housing costs, inflation and stagnating pay? How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. Nobody said bodies were intact. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. "I hope somebody gets their hands on you and hurt you and do everything you ever did to anybody. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. Both wanted to be doctors. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. She should have received the death penalty imo. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. False. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. Not gender neutral. Emailus. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her.
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